WHY AN EMERGENT CHURCH PASTOR REPORTED ME ON 'FACEBOOK':
First E-mail to Keith Stewart through Facebook:
June 19 at 10:03am
------------Hi there Pastor Keith,
How are you today, I hope you are well in Jesus Christ.
~~~Bringing you Understanding in Love.~~~~
I listened to your Sermon: "A Desperate search for Change" and you mentioned this passage below:
________________________________________________ Colossians 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[Tough not; taste not; handle not] These words seem intended as a specimen of the kind of ordinances which the apostle refers to, or an imitation of the language of the Jewish teachers in regard to various kinds of food and drink. "Why are ye subject to ordinances of various kinds, such as this-Touch not, taste not, handle not?" That is, such as prohibit you from even touching certain kinds of food, or tasting certain kinds of drink, or handling certain prohibited things. The rapid succession of the words here, without any connecting particle, is supposed to denote the eagerness of the persons who imposed this injunction, and their earnestness in warning others from contaminating themselves with the prohibited things. Many injunctions of this kind are found in the writings of the Jewish rabbis; and the ancient Jewish sect of the Essenes (Notes, Matt 3:7) abounded in precepts of this kind. (from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)
-----------Keith, The Apostle Paul was not referring to 'sex' in the least, I do not know how you could have missed the Holy Spirit on this Word from God. See more below for your learning more and mine:
______________________________________________ Colossians 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
[Touch not; taste not; handle not] These are forms of expression very frequent among the Jews. In Maccoth, fol. 21:1: "If they say to a Nazarite, Don't drink, don't drink; and he, notwithstanding, drinks; he is guilty. If they say, Don't shave, don't shave; and he shaves, notwithstanding; he is guilty. If they say, Don't put on these clothes, don't put on these clothes; and he, notwithstanding, puts on heterogeneous garments; he is guilty." (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1996 by Biblesoft)
_____________________________________________ Colossians 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Compare Col 2:16. Instances of the "ordinances" (Col 2:20) in the words of their imposers. There is an ascending climax of superstitious prohibitions. The first [hapsee (NT:680)] is distinguished from the third [thigees (NT:2345)]: the former means close contact and retention, the latter momentary contact (cf. 1 Cor 7:1; John 20:17). [Mee (NT:3361) mou (NT:3450) haptou (NT:680)] 'Hold me not,' 'Handle not, neither taste, nor even touch:' referring to eating and drinking.' 'Handle (hold) not' nor 'taste' with the tongue, 'nor even touch,' however slight the contact. (from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)
_____________________________________________ Col 2:20-22 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
III. He takes occasion hence to warn them again: "Wherefore, if you be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to ordinances? v. 20. If as Christians you are dead to the observances of the ceremonial law, why are you subject to them? Such observances as, Touch not, taste not, handle not," v. 21, 22. Under the law there was a ceremonial pollution contracted by touching a dead body, or any thing offered to an idol; or by tasting any forbidden meats, etc., which all are to perish with the using, having no intrinsic worth in themselves to support them, and those who used them saw them perishing and passing away; or, which tend to corrupt the Christian faith, having no other authority than the traditions and injunctions of men.- - Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship and humility. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.)
Keith, Jesus also made mention of pots and cups which are perishable as well in God's Word. When people drank from a more expensive cup, in Jesus' days, they took pride in it as if they were more spiritual and wise than those who could only offord clay cups, etc. This wisdom is spiritual-worldly, worldly intelligence of thought and feelings of 'mental' acquirement which merely shows ones conceit (conceited): Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom (conceit) in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.(flesh: GK: sarx - that of the external - the body - that which is striped of the skin physically). Keith, if these verses were mentioning 'sex' the Holy Spirit would not have moved Paul to say: ",...and neglecting of the body."
------------Keith, notice these verses:
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21(Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
-----------Notice the word "ordinances", "to perish with the using" (because he was referring to food and drink and even pots and cups as Jesus has said. Again, not sex Keith). Notice also "after the commandments and doctrines 'of men' not the 'commandments of God'. Huge key Point Keith. Do you understand?
------------Keith, here are some cross-references I merely got from my PC Study Bible that will help you more and me to understand God's Word as well:
Cross-references verses with Col. 2:20-23: Mark 7:18-19 18 And he (Jesus) saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him;
19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?
------------Keith please notice (above) Mark 7:19: "into the belly and goes out into the draught, purging all meats."
John 6:27 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
-----------Keith, please notice verse 27: "meat which perishes" <-------which explains Col. 2:22 and 23.
1 Cor 6:13 13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.
-----------Keith please Notice: "Meats for the belly,...but God shall destroy both it and them,...."
Isa 29:13 13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
----------Keith, Please notice: "the precept of men" NOT "the Commandments of God".
Matt 15:3 3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
---------Keith, please notice Jesus' own words here: "why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition". Here we see God's Commandment verses tradition (of men - precept of men - what men think and feel rather than looking at the law which is perfect converting the soul).
Mark 7:7-8 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
--------Keith, please will you notice these words of God: "teaching for doctrines and commandments of men,...for laying aside the commandment of God you hold the tradition of men as the washing of pots and cup; and many other such like things you do."
Titus 1:14 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
-------Keith could you notice God's Words here: ",......commandment of men, that turn from the truth." Which Scripture bears this out to be what Jesus has said in regards to Commandments of God verses doctrines of men.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
"after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ".
In loving Correction through Christ Jesus our Lord, Mrs. Connie Lewis
June 19 at 12:04pm
How are you? I hope this finds you well.
In regards to your same sermon: "A Desperate search for Change"
You quoted from the New International Version:
Col. 2:20, 21, 23 20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules:
21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"?
23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
If you would have read verse "22" you would have given understanding to your congregation look what it says:
__________________________ 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
Keith please notice the word "these things" - such as, food, drink, pots, cups etc. They are 'things' being used. And then notice God's Word says "are all destined to perish with use" - Keith when we have 'sex' with our spouse it does not 'perish with us'. But meat (food etc.) (as Jesus says) - Jesus says it goes into into the stomach and is eliminated.
Jesus answered them and said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27 "Do not work for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal." NASU
Mark 7:17-19 18 And He said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?" NASU
Pastor Keith, do you now understand where your error in God's Word lies? When we skip verses (at times - not always though) it will create those doctrines of men God's Word warns us about. Keith, when there is error through the preaching and teaching of God's Word that how these terrible doctrines of men come about which is, quit honestly, a whole new bondage to any sheep fold.
Jesus didn't have a problem with men teaching God's Commandments (thou shalt not,.......thou shalt honor your father and mother etc.) in fact He said they are blessed for doing so, but he was mainly dealing with those who were spreading commandment made up by men which were not pointing to God's Word. In fact, Pastor Keith, we see "written" most of the 10 commandments in the New Testament even in many of the Epistles.
But if you want the next generation to be Holy before God in their sex life give them this verse:
Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
See Pastor Keith it's not about "asking questions" that is a so called knowledge which uses mental-intelligence (the same word Paul is warning about in Col. 2:23 - in the word *wisdom* in that verse) it's the word of God which directs a persons heart and life - so if you want others to be free from the "lust of the flesh" instruct them to Walk in the Spirit of God. Just give them "God's Word". God sent "His Word" - living and written to heal all those who will believe. The 'desperate change' will not come through precepts of men's questions but by The Spirit of God alone. We point to God's full Godhead - that is what makes a true Pastor of The Lord - we lift Him up in all what He Can Do; Jesus Is Lord.
Sincerely in the Love of Christ Jesus our Lord, Mrs. Connie Lewis
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